13 Reasons Why… Some thoughts
13 Reasons Why.
The New York Times b
est seller by young adult novel writer Jay Asher that came out way back in 2007 has sold over 3 million copies to date.
I read this book a few years ago and found it … I find it hard to find the correct word: riveting, eye opening, scary, sad, hopeless and yet necessary in bringing out a conversation we seem to refuse to want to talk about as a culture.
Since reading the book I have heard very little on this topic. No conversation on social media about it. No growth in conversations on the problems of suicide in our culture today. Then suddenly 13 Reasons Why is released on Netflix and presently I have had over 500 messages, emails and conversations from parents all over asking the simple question: “Should I let me kid watch this?” or “Should I watch this with my teenager?”
As a 45 year old I have watched thousands of hours of TV in my life. This would rank as the most powerful show I have ever watched. I have watched countless hours of mindless entertainment in those 45 years and this show WAS different.
It was different because it touched on so many topics: sex, drugs, alcohol, relationships, peer pressure, divorce, bullying, self-harm, isolation, loneliness, disconnection from adults, lack of supports and of course suicide.
If I had to give you a very quick review of this series I would say:
Everything Affects Everything
You are responsible for yourself
You are responsible for your actions
You are responsible when you do nothing
We need to start talking about all the stuff no-one wants to talk about
This show starts us talking….
“You don’t know what goes on in anyone’s life but your own. And when you mess with one part of a person’s life, you’re not messing with just that part. Unfortunately, you can’t be that precise and selective. When you mess with one part of a person’s life, you’re messing with their entire life. Everything. . . affects everything.”
― Jay Asher, Thirteen Reasons Why
In almost every review I have read comments that this show is triggering. It shows too much for students, glamorizes suicide, over sexualized, too much language, and deals with too many issues. I would say that the show is a great conversation starter for people of all ages. It is raw and tough to watch. The suicide scene was brutal and one of the hardest things I have ever watched on TV. Maybe the fact is that suicide is brutal for everyone and this scene is meant to bring that home.
I do find it hypocritical that people are upset at some of these topics in this show. I don’t see most people talking about triggering when there is self harm (including suicide) in music videos, TV shows, movies and much of todays music is laced with sex. Yet the scenes in this show are too much? Are teens not triggered daily by just being a teen in our modern day culture?
If we are going to say this is too much for students I don’t seem to see many people offering any better way to talk about these tough issues.
I wonder when is the right time?
What is the right way?
I find that this is one of the first things I have seen that has people (especially teens) talking about suicide amongst other issues. We cannot just go back to ignoring this conversation especially the conversation around suicide.
There is no place that is immune to this.
So here is the tough question.
How do you talk about a tough conversation without triggering people and increasing the risk of a suicide contagion and copycat behaviour?
I think we need to be honest where we presently sit as a society with this conversation. I think people are already triggered by this topic with or without this TV show. Do a quick google search:
Canadian Stats:
- 22% of teens thought of suicide this year (Click here for the article)
Myth: Young people rarely think about suicide.
Reality: Teens and suicide are more closely linked than adults might expect. In a survey of 15,000 grade 7 to 12 students in British Columbia, 34% knew of someone who had attempted or died by suicide; 16% had seriously considered suicide; 14% had made a suicide plan; 7% had made an attempt and 2% had required medical attention due to an attempt.
Canadian Mental Health Association (Click here for the article)U.S. Stats
- Suicide is the SECOND leading cause of death for ages 10-24. (2015 CDC WISQARS)
- More teenagers and young adults die from suicide than from cancer, heart disease, AIDS, birth defects, stroke, pneumonia, influenza, and chronic lung disease, COMBINED.
- Each day in our nation, there are an average of over 5,240 attempts by young people grades 7-12.
- http://jasonfoundation.com/prp/facts/youth-suicide-statistics/
Parents are asking if we should watch this show with our kids but I cannot answer this for you. Will I be watching this with my Grade 9 daughter or my Grade 8 son? If they are interested – Yes. I will also NOT be showing either of them the suicide scene in the last episode. With that being said is this the first conversation I will have had with my children on conversations on these topics … no. These are conversations we have been having for years in our home. If the first time you talk about suicide, mental health issues, sex, drugs, bullying etc is this TV show then I would not suggest watching this show before you have conversations in your home about these tough topics.
You might need to check as a parent and see if they have already watched the show. Many parents who have emailed me have said my kid already watched the show what do I do now. If this is you then I would sit down and talk to them about the show. Ask their thoughts and feelings.
What did they like about the show?
Do they think that the show fairly represented current teen culture in High School?
What did they dislike about the show? If they have watched it I would highly suggest watching the 13 Reasons Why: Beyond the Reasons which is on Netflix as well. It is the cast & creators with conversation on all aspects of the movie and why they did the certain scenes like they did.
Be very direct with your kids and let them know that there is nothing in the world that could change how you love them. You want them to know that if they are ever struggling with these topics in this show that you hope they could come and talk to you. And then together you would look at getting supports in place for them (doctors, counselling etc).
I would also suggest you be really careful if your son/daughter is struggling with suicidal thoughts, depression, bullying etc. This show could act (I am not saying will) as something that might make suicide look like a good way out for their struggles they are having. If you were going to watch it I would suggest watching it with them.
If as a parents you are thinking “I have failed in these conversations” you can start having them now. Just to mention some of the main themes in the show again:
- Sex
- Multiple rape scenes
- Drug & Alcohol use and abuse
- Dating relationships
- Peer pressure
- Divorce
- Bullying
- Self-harm
- Isolation
- Loneliness
- Disconnection from adults
- Lack of supports
- and of course suicide
These are conversations that you need to be having in your home, school, and church environments.
Are there some things I wish this show had done better. Yes, for sure:
- I wish there was more shown on how to help people if they are struggling. What do you actually do if you are struggling (Talk to an adult you trust, medical doctor, counsellor etc) We need to talk about where we can turn for help. In my mental health talk called The Walking Wounded I talk about addressing tough issues like this from 3 fronts: Body (Doctor), Mind(Counsellor), and Soul. Each of these areas can be pursued simultaneously.
- They showed such a disconnected youth culture from parents, teachers and other adults. This is not always the case.
In tone and style, it resembles a more serious, grimmer cousin of Freeform (formerly ABC Family) series like “Pretty Little Liars” and “Twisted.” Like them, it literalizes the idea that teenage life is a mystery, one that adults can’t hope to solve. (New York Times article)
- I did not like that they showed the physical scars from people struggling with Self Harm. As someone who speaks on this we do know that this is triggering for people who struggle.
- I don’t like the fact that with this story it seems that you can sort of reach out from the grave after suicide and take revenge on people. It did a good job of showing the destruction that suicide leaves with the friends and family who are left after a suicide.
- I wish that with all the pain they also showed that there is hope. There is always hope. You might not see it, but that also does not mean it is not there.
- I wish they had not been so graphic with the suicide. I think it is unnecessary and is the one major scene that might make people NOT watch a show that could have been for a larger audience if not for the graphic scene. I also realize that the brutality of the suicide was done for a reason to show … to show how brutal suicide is.
In my talks a line I use when speaking about suicide is:
Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem.
If you are having suicidal thoughts I beg you to do a few things
- Go tell an adult immediately. If that adult does not listen then tell another. Get parents and teachers and doctors and counsellors and any other people you trust surrounding you as you walk through these tough times
- Hold on.
Dr. Dan Siegel says “We need to help children understand that the clouds of their emotions can (and will) roll on by.”
What you are going through is a season … and seasons change.
Please hold on.
In the last episode Clay Jensen (one of the main characters) says “We can all do better.” I agree.
So how can you do better?
I end with the simple summary I gave at the beginning
Everything Affects Everything
You are responsible for yourself
You are responsible for your actions
You are responsible when you do nothing
We need to start talking about all the stuff no-one wants to talk about.
This show starts us talking….
Love to hear what you thought of the TV show if you watched it? Did it help? Did it hurt?
Love to hear your thoughts on this.
Love to hear any great resources for people who are struggling.
13 Reasons Why Official Website
http://www.thirteenreasonswhy.com/
Other articles on 13 Reasons Why:
- http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/twlohas_founder_pens_blog_in_response_to_13_reasons_why
- https://cpyu.org/2017/04/17/13-reasons-why-looking-for-true-north/
- https://cpyu.org/resource/episode-36-13-reasons-why-a-discussion-with-amy-flavin-and-kara-twining/
- https://themighty.com/2017/04/should-i-watch-13-reasons-why-review-suicide/
- http://www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/18/15275846/13-reasons-why-male-gaze-voyeurism-rape-suicide-contagion
- http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/health/13-reasons-why-teen-suicide-debate-explainer/index.html
- https://www.nasponline.org/
- http://www.cmha.ca/news/cmha-national-statement-responding-netflix-series-13-reasons/#.WQPswUFE2Ef
- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/arts/television/netflix-13-reasons-why-tv-review.html
- http://www.pluggedin.ca/tv-reviews/13-reasons-why
- http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/13-reasons-why-criticism-1.4091960
- http://www.averageyouthministry.com/average-youth-ministry/13-reasons-why-youth-workers-must-be-at-the-top-of-their-game
- https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Differences-Between-13-Reasons-Why-Book-TV-Show-43404725
I watched the show and thought it was very well done. I really want to read the book now. I was raised in a Christian home and when I was a teenager went through some of the stuff that these teens went through. I also like what you had to say about it Brett.
It is my personal opinion that in general our culture minimizes the negative effects of over-sexualixed entertainment. It bothers me that the criminal acts in that show are not immediately reported to the cops. It bothers me that, in fact, on MULTIPLE occasions 13 reasons portrays police as nothing but corrupt and unjust. We do need to talk about suicide and mental health and take these things seriously. So talk about prevention, about mindfulness, about not making yourself vulnerable and about reporting criminal activity whether you get the response you want or not. Do the right thing, and (from a Christian perspective) trust God to judge those that are unjust, that perform criminal acts. I do not support a show that describes itself as intending to shed light on a topic by graphically and inappropriately portraying how some teens respond.
I watched it on Netflix after speaking to my 2 teenage daughters. They encouraged me to do so. My older one read the book many years ago and she said it didn’t affect her one bit. My younger one had watched the series with her fellow boarders at their school dorm. She said she’s not affected by it. I find it strange but it is sad to think that my children think these are “normal” stuff? The older one had a friend who committed suicide late last year and the younger one has a dorm mate that attempted suicide. While they were affected, it seems like they could simply “brush it off”?
I am a 45 year old mother of 2.
I am a professional- University educated woman.
When I was a young teen I attempted suicide. Why? Well- more than 13 Reasons I can tell you that. And many of the reasons were very close to what “Hannah” experienced. 30 years later- no one has asked me about how I was feeling at that time. None of the teen peers at the time ever really understood how their bullying made me feel. For many viewers this show is unimaginable. For others- this is/was their world. I didn’t find it glamorous- I found it to be real and painful. Although it’s not necessary to show graphic context to our young people- it’s important to acknowledge that life for teens is beyond what many parents know. I think it’s important to ask the question “why?” around suicide.